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How should we Tier Blaziken?
Uber
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OU (But ban Mega form)
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OU (including Mega)
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PostSubject: How should we tier Blaziken?   Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:05 pm

Since ya'll won't shut up about it in chat box, let's see a show of hands. THIS POLL IS NOT BINDING, JUST A DATA POINT FOR GC TO MAKE THE FINAL CALL.

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Blaziken?   Sun Mar 30, 2014 11:24 am

WHAT TOOK SO LONG!?

The tier's are all becoming OP anyway... Tailglow(+3 Spc. Att) Manaphy under the rain is in OU, this should really make Blaziken less appealing, no?

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Blaziken?   Sun Mar 30, 2014 12:49 pm

Again, this is due to Blazikens potential. Like Mega Gengar and Mega Kanga.
Blaziken is a fairly bulky pokemon. The issue with it is that its more than capable of gettinga few bulk ups off before its brought down to low, then it can baton pass. If we are to unban Blazikin, then we should ban Baton pass sets. I would happily have it back in play if that would be agreed on.

That is why it was banned. Mega Gengar was banned due to its ability to wreak pokemon because they can't be switched out, although I nearly always OHKO Gengar on battle spot.
MegaKhan is easy to take out with the correct counter as long as you carry one.
Mega Blaziken with speed boost and his stats is op, like Mega Lucario. Although frail, its a case of getting something in to take care of them.
Only real counter for a mega Blaziken is trick room... and I dunno about anyone else, but I suck at the XD

So Uber it unless baton pass is banned, and keep the mega banned also.

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Blaziken?   Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:50 pm

Since we have restructured how court cases are resolved lets finally get this one resolved.

Voting starts today (8/13)
Voting ends 8/20
According to case rules since this is a battle case all voters must have at least 4 badges and must post their vote.

My vote will be blazekien OU and Mega Blaze for Uber.
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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Blaziken?   Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:34 pm

Mega Blaziken is... Arguably Uber.

But regular Blaziken is a starter pokemon. Even with Speed Boost and Baton Pass sets (hell yeah) it's still a oneshot to many attackers and laughable to anything with Thunder Wave. (Talonflame too...) It's a big threat to some things, but it's not the end of the world by a long shot.

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Blaziken?   Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:46 pm

In all honesty, the only threat I see is the baton pass set, but Scollipede does it better, and there is indeed, Talonflame. Besides, Blaziken would even out things since Aegislash will be in OU here, in our precious forum-home.

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Blaziken?   Wed Aug 13, 2014 3:37 pm

Blazikenite should remain banned....
I would rather Speed boost Blaze remained banned too.

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Blaziken?   Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:40 pm

Scolipede does it better and Ninjask is the classic - these builds have been around for a while.

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Blaziken?   Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:53 pm

Vote both Uber.

After a single swords dance, blaziken becomes nigh-on unwallable, and extremely difficult to revenge kill. Yes, talonflame counters blaziken. ferrothorn also counters mega khan, but mega khan was also banned simple due to raw power.

Banning Blazikenite makes him slightly easier to revenge kill with priority, but doens't do THAT much since life-orb Blaziken does more damage than Mega Blaziken anyway.

There really is no good way to handle blaziken with OU Pokemon. Only Slowbro and Giratina have a shot at walling Blaziken, and both fall if blaziken runs shadow claw. Oh, did I mention Giratina is clearly Uber?

Aegislash can force 50/50's with King's Shield, but still dies to even a +0 flare blitz in shield form. Blaziken also can use a predicted King's shield to set up yet another swords dance... so this is a really risky way to deal with Blaziken.

at +2/+2 (easily achieved on a forced switch in combination with protect, or simply by taking a resisted hit), blaziken essentially one or two-hit KO's the entire OU metagame. At +3, Blaziken outspeeds even choice-scarf Terrakion, meaning he can ONLY be killed with priority.

If we unban Blaziken, dibs on him for PWBA...

Also, do you really want to make my gym EVEN harder?

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Blaziken?   Wed Aug 13, 2014 9:55 pm

Course we do far, everybody likes a challenge. OU reg, Ubers mega.

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Blaziken?   Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:04 am

I have two of the Fire Chickens, and I'm sick of them sitting in my box with nothing to do. Besides, Talonflame, because everyone uses one now...

OU normal, Uber Mega.

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Blaziken?   Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:15 am

If we unban Blaziken we should unban Lucarionite as well. Mega Lucario is far less dangerous than Blaziken and actually has some checks and revenge killers but it doesn't get faster every turn for using nothing... and extreme speed is resisted by terrakion and a few other notable faster pokemon. Lucario also takes up a mega slot in order to be boarderline OP.

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Blaziken?   Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:53 pm

Lucario never should have been banned to Ubers in the first place, given how thoroughly countered it is and its frailty.

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Blaziken?   Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:54 pm

Bullet punch, close combat. Adaptability.

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Blaziken?   Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:55 pm

OMGFIRE!!!!!!!!

Seriously, has anyone here actually lost even a single poke to Lucario?

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Blaziken?   Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:53 pm

I've swept a bunch of people here with Mega Lucario...

It's true that once Mega Lucario gets an SD off he's hard to wall, but at least revenge killing is a viable option. That's just not true with Blaziken unless you're running Talonflame. Talonflame is popular enough - let's not make him a mandatory addition to every team just to deal with Blaziken.

(Lucario is neutral to Brave Bird but is sufficiently frail that he dies to choice-band Talonflame anyway.)

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Blaziken?   Thu Aug 14, 2014 5:11 pm

Also, most anything with Focus Sash will take out Blaziken, and there are plenty of those around.

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Blaziken?   Thu Aug 14, 2014 5:32 pm

I disagree that anything with a focus sash takes out Blaziken, he has the bulk to survive a lot of hits and unless you hit him for super effective damage he's not going down.

I have to agree with Far that Blaziken should remain Uber.
Also Lucario wasn't banned as none Hidden ability Blaziken isn't.

Lucarioite is banned as is Speed boost Blaziken and Blazikenite.... Just saying

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Blaziken?   Thu Aug 14, 2014 5:36 pm

As really reviewing it. I've decided to change my vote to both uber.

In my research there are only three real counters to blaziken. Slowbro which isn't all that popular at the moment, Azumaril , and talonflame which is common enough but will probably start showing up on every team with their own blaziken's if we allow this to happen.

Also I forgot the main reason I had wanted both forms ban originally which is baton pass. Blaziken is able to rack up boosts stupidly fast with speed boost and sword dance. Sure you can try to force a switch to get rid of the boosts but no blaziken will just pass them over to something else on their team to destroy what is quite possibly the only counter you have to blaziken.
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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Blaziken?   Thu Aug 14, 2014 5:58 pm

At that point it's treated the same as any other BP user - throw a status on it and wreck the chain. Thunder Wave and Glare make Blaziken a joke and most any physically defensive poke, not just Slowbro, can wall and kill Blaziken, especially with the availability of Earthquake and Stone Edge...

It's one of my old favorites. I know how many things kill it... Mad

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Blaziken?   Thu Aug 14, 2014 6:02 pm

Thing is though Juls, even if you para it, it will live any one hit and then baton pass that turn to get at least one speed boost off to something, or might try to SD first turn, predicting twave, then protect second turn to get +2/+2 to baton bass. by +2 speed its likely gonna outspeed you again.

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Blaziken?   Thu Aug 14, 2014 6:26 pm

It's necessary to get to +3 or so before it gets speedy again... Paralysis is 75% reduction and it's lucky to survive more than one hit - 80/70/70 defensively is not so hot.

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Blaziken?   Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:04 pm

50% reduction. It's equal to -2 speed.

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Blaziken?   Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:11 pm

For thoses of you who say your answer is focus sash I would like to introduce you to my good friends entry hazards. Razz

For thoses of you who say earthquake/stone edge. Remember you actually have to survive a hit from blaziken first.

As for thunder wave you got to survive one turn of damage to get the status up. Speed boost then activates. Blaziken uses protect next turn gets a second speed boost and is back to being speedy enough to finish you by the third turn.

Also do we really want far and ss to have access to these in their gym/e4 matches? Razz
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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Blaziken?   Thu Aug 14, 2014 7:17 pm

I dont particularly hate the idea of them being a challenge, jk.
And thats if he can use protect, paralysis might activate yah know.

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