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PostSubject: How should we tier Genesect?   Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:06 pm

Again, not a binding poll. GC makes the final call. But since ya'll keep talking about it in chatbox...

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Genesect?   Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:06 am

Holy cow! It was tied two to two a few this days back! Now it's five to five! Looks like Genesect may be OU this gen! Stay tuned folks... Wait, we have three administrators now. Does this mean they each need to get into accord with one another?

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Genesect?   Fri Jan 31, 2014 5:23 am

Well, it looks like it's up to me to break the tiebreaker… hmmmmmm… grrrreeeeee… fwwaaaaaaaa… uhhhhhhhhmn…
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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Genesect?   Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:39 am

Haha I was actually going to do this myself Far XD beat me too it. But I think once this has been up a few days more, Dia and I can decide on the out come also. (Seeing as were joined mods with the boss.

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Genesect?   Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:20 pm

Unfair how ALL the moderators WNna ban genesect to ou
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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Genesect?   Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:29 pm

I want Gensect banned and I want it to stay in Ubers lol.

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Genesect?   Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:37 pm

and I second this...got ur back bro  Razz 

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Genesect?   Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:39 pm

Aw... I'm not gonna get my Genesect, am I?

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Genesect?   Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:40 pm

Lol nothing has been decided yet DF

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Genesect?   Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:59 pm

600 Base stats along with Celebi, Cresselia, Mew, Darkrai, Deoxys, Manaphy, Zygarde, Victini, Heatran, Latias, latios, Meoloetta, and Shaymin. ALl of who are fellow legendaries.
Can learn Zap Cannon, Hyper Beam, Blizzard, Solar Beam, Thunder, and Giga-Impact.
His own Techno Blast is like a mini-Arceus being able to change type depending on what item he has.
he's literally resistant/immune to half of fall types and only weak to one.
Its only an event Pokemon.
Its ability is download.

All that into account, If that doesn't spell ÜBER, very little does...
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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Genesect?   Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:19 pm

It's definitely not as good as it used to be. It lost two important resistances, its entire coverage movepool was nerfed, Talonflame and Heatran being so common means it can't switch in as often as it used to and it's overall rather vulnerable to priority and easy to wear down with just Stealth Rock.

Genesect was very effective in gen 5 because the metagame was dominated by hyper offense, so it could score easy OHKO's against the most common threats. Now that the metagame shifted to balanced/bulky offense Genesect fails to net important KO's when it needs to. It doesn't help that bug is now tied with grass for the most resisted type in the game so many top threats (Talonflame, Aegislash, Mega Mawile, Azumarill and so on) don't give a damn about U-Turn spam. Still a great pokemon, but no longer the end all be all lategame sweeper and revenge killer and who the hell uses hyper beam and zap cannon Razz
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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Genesect?   Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:21 pm

1.) Only TWO of the Legendary Pokemon you listed are Uber

2.) Techno Blast is a horrible move, as it takes away his Choice Scarf and makes him too slow to battle. 

3.) Scizor shares his typing. So does Durant. Typing doesn't change much here.

4.) Celebi is an event only Pokemon, but he's not Uber. Same with Mew.

6.) So is Porygon-Z's.

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Genesect?   Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:24 pm

DF, your 3, 4, and 6. Those are spreadd between several different pokemon. This is putting them all on one bastardized mutation by Plasma.
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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Genesect?   Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:57 am

When does the poll end?
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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Genesect?   Sat Feb 01, 2014 10:18 am

1) Scizor is OU precisely because of his typing. Without it, you get Scyther, which is solidly NU. Typing matters

2) Unlike Scizor, Genesect can use both physical and special attacks; Scizor is walled by Skarmory and other physical walls - Genesect is not, and isn't stopped by special walls like Blissey either.

3) You guys call Genesect slow? Scizor is half his speed

4) Download is an incredible ability giving him basically a free choice specs or choice band boost. Have him hold a choice scarf and you have an ubers-worthy pokemon. Although Porygon2 also gets download, its stats are far inferior, it is much slower, and it can't take advantage when it gets a physical attack boost.

5) Most of the other 600 BST legendaries that aren't uber have base 100 stats across the board which is actually not that useful. Genesect's stat distribution is much better.


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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Genesect?   Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:45 am

The poll is seven to eight now. We apparently got a tie breaker yesterday. Man, this is starting to become a religion war...
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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Genesect?   Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:06 pm

I keep on getting 2OHKO by a flippin greninja ES didnt even do crap I MEAN TO A GRENINJA ASWELL Razz also you could get the wrong boost which makes the ability sometimes worthless and his speed is low in this metagame.
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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Genesect?   Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:24 pm

Dude, Choice-Scarf genesect outspeed Greninja and kill it in one hit with U-turn.

+1 4 Atk Genesect U-turn vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Greninja: 368-434 (128.6 - 151.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 4 Atk Genesect Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Greninja: 141-166 (49.3 - 58%) -- 97.7% chance to 2HKO
252 SpA Genesect Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Greninja: 246-290 (86 - 101.3%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

And if Genesect grabbed a special attack boost from a previous pokemon:
+1 252 SpA Genesect Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Greninja: 368-434 (128.6 - 151.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

What can greninja do?

0- Atk Life Orb Protean Greninja U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Genesect: 49-58 (17.3 - 20.4%) -- possible 5HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Greninja Dark Pulse vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Genesect: 152-179 (53.7 - 63.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Genesect?   Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:58 pm

Exactly it 2OHKOed me and I dont use choice scarf cuz its too unreliable AND remember it can get crippled by will o wisp AND I just got killed by a flippin milotic stupid burn.....!!


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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Genesect?   Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:00 pm

lol man... just because you play genesect incorrectly doesn't mean it's not uber.

and genesect is not crippled by will-o-wisp because he's a MIXED attacker and can still fire off flamethrower, t-bolt or ice beam.

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Genesect?   Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:04 pm

Actually I do know how to use genesect no one is gonna use a choice scarf on him cuz aegislash azumarill heatran jellicent don't give a damn about u turn
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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Genesect?   Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:05 pm

And cuz of sticky web choice scarf is even more unreliable
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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Genesect?   Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:12 pm

TAKA (AKA FROZEN FIRE) wrote:
Actually I do know how to use genesect no one is gonna use a choice scarf on him cuz aegislash  azumarill heatran jellicent don't give a damn about u turn

mhmm. but it's u-turn. and if they come in on your u-turn, oh wait, you got a free switch to bring in another counter. Choice item + u-turn or volt-switch is amazing. The problem with u-turn is that very few pokemon get any significant power behind it. The only one other than Genesect that fires off remotely powerful u-turns is scizor, and scizor is very slow, meaning he cannot use u-turn to escape from any of these threats. Not to mention aegislash will take heavy damage from flamethrower and azumaril and jellicent are weak to thunderbolt. It's true that heatran resists most of Genesect's common moves, but one counter does not make a pokemon OU. Slowbro and Talonflame hard counter Blaziken but Blaziken us still Uber.

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Genesect?   Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:25 pm

Ok I said this in that chat box last night but I should put it here too. Genesects base attack is 120, but after the download boost, which is a +1 boost (or 50% increase) Genesect hits 180 base attack, this is for both Special and Physical. Now, while Talonflame takes Genesect out with a flare blitz, Aegislash can at best 5HKO Genesect and its still a 2-3HKO after sword dance.
Very little can withstand Genesect. Taka if you U-turn with genesect on a pokemon that resists it, you get a small amount of damage off, AND yu get to switch, it your leaving your genesect in battle using a move that's resisted by your foe, and you can't swap move due to choice scarf and you don't switch out.... well....

Genesect smashed Aegislash, 1HKO even without download boost with flamethrower. It gets perfect neutral coverage with boltbeam combo, hits steels hard with flamethrower and smashes anything bug weak and gives you momentum in battle with U-turn.
If your not running a mix set on Genesect, then your simply stupid as its base attack and special attack are same and if you download the right bonus, your uninvested moves will still hit hard.
Genesect has 99 base speed, I don't know what choice adds in terms of speed, but if its only 50% then that still brings Genesect up to a 148 base, which is faster than most.

Lastly, i'll add this.
Genesect with a physical attack download is on par in power with Deoxys- Attack and is only bettered by Mega Herracross and Mege Mewtwo X.... its becomes one of only two regular pokemon that can hit his attack stat (this is uninvested remember)

With a Special attack download Genesect hits 180 bases special attack, again on par with Deoxys Attack and the ONLY pokemon that can best that? Well its mega mewtwo Y....

Funny fact about the Mewtwo X and Y and Deoxys attack.... there Ubers!

Lastly, With a choice band adding 50% to Genesects speed, its base sits at at 148 like I said... only 5 Pokémon beat it not choiced... Genesects biggests threat in Talonflame? Well hes sitting on slot 19 in terms of speed....

Just some hard facts, Genesect is an uber for a reason. This is why.

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PostSubject: Re: How should we tier Genesect?   Sat Feb 01, 2014 2:38 pm

I would respond to that but that is toooooooo looooooong to remember what u said Razz and when is the poll gonna finish?
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