Need a clarification on the super-effective clause for gym battles. As written, the rule states that a total of four (4) pokemon with super-effective moves may be used, though only two (2) may be typed against the gym.
Because of this, I am being denied Flash's badge.
According to the official battling rules:
5. Super effective clause No more than two super effective pokemon. This means you can't have more than two pokemon of a type that is super effective against the gym leader/elite 4 member's type. You also can't have more than two pokemon with super effective moves against the gym leader/elite 4 member's type. Last checked, "also" meant "in addition to." It does not mean "either." I have further discussed this issue, via PM, with Aurath prior to taking on my first gym:
"Checking challenge team legitimacy
From Yf To Aurath, Thu May 22, 2014 2:58 pm
For challenging DF, still not 100% on supereffective clause.
As follows:
* Tyranitar (mega) with Crunch
* Aegislash with Shadow Sneak
Kelfki with Foul Play
other three have no supereffective moves or typings for psychic.
Would this be legal?"
Re: Checking challenge team legitimacy
- Aurath wrote:
- the rule is no more than 2 super effective Pokémon.... Although its not 100% clear on how many moves you can carry. I would say its fine having klefki with you.
Convo with Flash:
"[22:35:23] @ Flash18 : you dont get the badge
[22:35:25] @ Flash18 :
[22:35:31] @ Flash18 : cause you broke the rules
[22:35:49] Yf : ...which ones? No more than two typed against you, and I never used entry hazards.
[22:36:13] @ Flash18 : Heatran+earth power... ground type.. gliscor..ground type, and garchomp ground type
[22:36:20] @ Flash18 : 3 super efective pokemon
[22:36:25] @ Flash18 : insteand of the allowed 2
[22:36:26] @ Flash18 :
[22:36:47] Yf : I checked this with Aurath already. It's for typing. You can have an additional two pokemon with supereffective moves, but not typing.
[22:36:57] Yf : Heatran is Fire/Steel.
[22:37:06] @ Flash18 : such lie
[22:37:09] @ Flash18 : ask again
[22:37:34] Yf : I have already, and gotten a clear response.
[22:37:46] @ Flash18 : no badge till i ask
[22:37:51] @ Flash18 : cause this comes from GC
[22:37:54] Yf : I'll send you the damn PM
[22:38:07] @ Flash18 : no way oyou can have 4 pokemon that have advantage over the gym leader
[22:38:15] Yf : Aurath Thu May 22, 2014 3:01 pm the rule is no more than 2 super effective Pokémon.... Although its not 100% clear on how many moves you can carry. I would say its fine having klefki with you. Aurath Yf Thu May 22, 2014 2:58 pm For challenging DF, still not 100% on supereffective clause. As follows: * Tyranitar (mega) with Crunch * Aegislash with Shadow Sneak Kelfki with Foul Play other three have no supereffective moves or typings for psychic. Would this be legal?
[22:39:18] @ Flash18 : and? where is the response?
[22:39:51] Yf : It's on the top. I copied the whole comment thread.
[22:39:59] Yf : Aurath's, the latest, is listed first.
[22:40:26] Yf : Also, direct from the rules: 5. Super effective clause No more than two super effective pokemon. This means you can't have more than two pokemon of a type that is super effective against the gym leader/elite 4 member's type. You also can't have more than two pokemon with super effective moves against the gym leader/elite 4 member's type.
[22:40:36] Yf : Two and two.
[22:41:32] Yf : I had two supereffective typed pokemon and two pokemon with supereffective moves. Neither goes over the posted limits.
[22:41:51] Yf :
https://pokemonwars.forumotion.com/t609-pokemon-wars-general-battle-rules[22:42:38] @ Flash18 : nope, wrong
[22:42:55] @ Flash18 : gym matches have always been eithert wo super efective types
[22:42:59] @ Flash18 : or two super efective moves
[22:43:04] @ Flash18 : or any combination
[22:43:12] @ Flash18 : ask any gym leader
[22:43:12] Yf : It doesn't say "either," it says "also."
[22:43:29] Yf : Last checked, "also" was synonymous with "in addition to."
[22:44:17] Yf : So, the rules need to either be re-written for accurate use of the English language, or I followed them, as posted.
[22:44:22] @ Flash18 : .
[22:44:37] @ Flash18 : ill ask aurtah to re write the clause
[22:44:48] @ Flash18 : no more than two pokemon
[22:44:59] Yf : Really, really not cool.
[22:45:29] Yf : I followed the rules. It ain't my fault people can't figure out how to convey their intentions properly.
[22:45:30] @ Flash18 : how many badges do you have?
[22:45:36] Yf : Three.
[22:45:56] @ Flash18 : and you have used more that 2 super effective moves/types agains the gyms?
[22:45:58] Yf : DF's was my first, which is why I personally verified my interpretation with Aurath before battling.
[22:46:07] Yf : Yes, because those were the posted rules.
[22:46:15] @ Flash18 : and Df said nothing?
[22:46:28] Yf : I 6-0 him with Tyranitar.
[22:46:39] Yf : Envi said nothing when I battled her as well.
[22:46:44] @ Flash18 : then he never realized
[22:46:47] Yf : Aurath confirmed my interpretation when I asked him.
[22:46:51] @ Flash18 : and with envy?
[22:47:05] Yf : The only one that seems to dislike the way the rules are written is you.
[22:47:17] Yf : Everyone else has agreed with or posted no objection.
[22:47:17] @ Flash18 : ask any gym leader
[22:47:19] @ Flash18 : ask DF
[22:47:29] @ Flash18 : tell him what you did in my gym
[22:47:38] @ Flash18 : do not mention the PM to aurath
[22:47:42] @ Flash18 : and you will see
[22:47:54] @ Flash18 : those have been always the rules
[22:47:54] Yf : No, I absolutely will mention the PM to Aurath.
[22:48:02] Yf : That was a confirmation from one of this site's admins.
[22:48:05] @ Flash18 : ok, did you saved the video?
[22:48:08] Yf : And the rules, as written, support my argument.
[22:48:09] @ Flash18 : cause i did not
[22:48:19] Yf : I saved it.
[22:48:31] @ Flash18 : ok"