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PostSubject: Case AE08199001 Aegislash Banned to Ubers by smogon.   Sun Aug 03, 2014 6:21 pm

Order, Order in the court.

Today we bring to light the recent news of Aegislash's ban from OU to Ubers.

Now the views on this are mixed and I have to admit, I am on the fence about this.... However, I think that we should follow suit...

Why I think the ban was unnecessary;
While Aegislash is powerful and can be a handful if used right, it is surprisingly easy to shut down, especially with my play style, Catch it out of defence form and its easy to break, a burn cripples it and taunt will also.

The reason's why I agree with Smogons ban and the reasons I feel we should follow suit.
Aegislash is a treat in the OU tier and while not at the top in my personal option, he has forced a lot of powerful pokemon out of OU. While we don't play in strict tiers here, I feel that some pokemon, Chansey, Lucario, Alakazam have been forced down to the next tier simply because Aegislash ruins them.

Aegislash has caused an over powering in UU while it sits in OU, so banning Aegislash means the UU tier can be freed of the pokemon that should be OU and OU while loosing a powerhouse, becomes a greater place with more options.

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PostSubject: Tiering of Aegislash   Sun Aug 03, 2014 6:34 pm

So, Smogon has moved Aegislash to its Uber tier. Neutral

Granted, the thing is a beast when run properly (if I do say so myself), but it has multiple solid counters and near-crippling weaknesses to Fire Blast and Earthquake - two very common moves. Additionally, King's Shield (a required moveslot for Aegislash) does not protect against statuses and only activates to contact moves (hello, EQ spammers).

It's a major threat, but not an Uber, IMHO.

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PostSubject: Re: Case AE08199001 Aegislash Banned to Ubers by smogon.   Sun Aug 03, 2014 6:40 pm

It's easily a threat, but considering I'VE bested many Aegislashes (and this is Envi we're talking about here) I strongly believe that uber is going too far.
All you need is Earthquake.
And yeah, Fire Blast.
I think for on this forum, it should remain in the OU tier. I've no complaints with that.

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PostSubject: Re: Case AE08199001 Aegislash Banned to Ubers by smogon.   Sun Aug 03, 2014 6:45 pm

You're a whole lot better than the majority of the people I battle, Envi. Neutral

Maybe accept the need for more walls in this gen of battling? Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Case AE08199001 Aegislash Banned to Ubers by smogon.   Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:34 pm

I knew He-Man would not approve. Don't worry, I think we all want Aegislash to stay in OU.

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PostSubject: Re: Case AE08199001 Aegislash Banned to Ubers by smogon.   Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:45 pm

Yes, I agree. He's a major threat on the field, and he can play some decent mind games, but I don't feel he's good enough to be placed with the likes of Arceus and Groudon and Ho-Oh. Definitely strong, but not Uber strong.

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PostSubject: Re: Case AE08199001 Aegislash Banned to Ubers by smogon.   Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:45 pm

Aegislash is so popular it gets two polls! Smogon took too long, I'm used to it being in OU, so, OU it stays for me.

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PostSubject: Re: Case AE08199001 Aegislash Banned to Ubers by smogon.   Sun Aug 03, 2014 8:47 pm

Ive actually used him in ubers and he is quite good...also used klefki with success so...

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PostSubject: Re: Case AE08199001 Aegislash Banned to Ubers by smogon.   Sun Aug 03, 2014 9:14 pm

Okay we only need one topic on aegislash so I merged the two topics.
Also going to delete the poll as this topic will be the first to test out the new rules of Pokemon Wars Court
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PostSubject: Re: Case AE08199001 Aegislash Banned to Ubers by smogon.   Sun Aug 03, 2014 9:18 pm

Like a boss, Gc!

Do you guys just make up those numbers?
Like: Case SC010102 Scrafty to OU? lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Case AE08199001 Aegislash Banned to Ubers by smogon.   Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:29 pm

Guys, while I see what your all saying and I agree, Aegislash isn't a huge threat, he wasn't moved due to his over powering ability to cripple the OU tier. Hes lot like Mega Kanga who hits like a train, or Mega Gengar capable of crippling your team.

they moved him to bring balance back to the meta game. Aegislash has forced Pokémon of OU into UU. Pokémon that have no right to be in the lower tier due to there massive power advantage. Smogon felt that Aegislash simply having a presence in the OU tier was unbalancing UU and Smogon strives to keep the tiers balanced and fair and so Aegislash was banished to restore order to the meta games tiers.

While we do not play strict tiers on Pokémon Wars, I feel some of the lesser used OU Pokémon might get some more play time without the fear of the steel/Ghost type.

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PostSubject: Re: Case AE08199001 Aegislash Banned to Ubers by smogon.   Sun Aug 03, 2014 10:44 pm

Our tiering is pretty much Uber and Not-Uber, for all intents and purposes... So I don't see much point in balancing UU, when we never do anything with that rating. Laughing

Also... Aside from myself, I've seen two people run Aegislash, and that was only briefly. It's definitely not an OP presence here.

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PostSubject: Re: Case AE08199001 Aegislash Banned to Ubers by smogon.   Mon Aug 04, 2014 12:41 am

Yeah. Aegislash didn't really change much to my favorite UU pokemon. Lucario and Alakazam went to UU because no one uses them when they can just use their Mega evolutions.

I think Aegislash is just very versatile and has the base attack and special attack equal to that of a mega pokemon, but with the ability to use an item. If steel had resistance to Dark and Ghost type attacks, then I'd consider its typing fitted for Ubers alone. At any rate, we all know and enjoy using Aegislash. We're just used to it. At least that's my case.

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PostSubject: Re: Case AE08199001 Aegislash Banned to Ubers by smogon.   Mon Aug 11, 2014 2:18 pm

Alright voting has officially started for this aegislash. Please post your vote so we can be sure you at least 4 badges as said in the rules of court cases. Voting shall end on the 18th.

I vote Aegislash for OU

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PostSubject: Re: Case AE08199001 Aegislash Banned to Ubers by smogon.   Mon Aug 11, 2014 3:24 pm

I'm in for OU as well. We play very little UU and below here, so Smogon's logic does not apply.

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PostSubject: Re: Case AE08199001 Aegislash Banned to Ubers by smogon.   Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:35 pm

Be sure to vote by the end of tomorrow or else ageislash stays OU.
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PostSubject: Re: Case AE08199001 Aegislash Banned to Ubers by smogon.   Sun Aug 17, 2014 7:05 pm

Not sure if I have yet, Uber
Mostly cause ive actually used him in ubers, and he wrecks.

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PostSubject: Re: Case AE08199001 Aegislash Banned to Ubers by smogon.   Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:56 pm

OUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

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PostSubject: Re: Case AE08199001 Aegislash Banned to Ubers by smogon.   Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:07 pm

He is used alot...

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PostSubject: Re: Case AE08199001 Aegislash Banned to Ubers by smogon.   Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:30 pm

Uber

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PostSubject: Re: Case AE08199001 Aegislash Banned to Ubers by smogon.   Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:47 am

I've wrecked with Shuckle in Ubers too, and you don't see that guy coming out of RU any time soon... Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Case AE08199001 Aegislash Banned to Ubers by smogon.   Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:43 am

By a vote of 3 to 2 ageislash stays OU.
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PostSubject: Re: Case AE08199001 Aegislash Banned to Ubers by smogon.   Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:12 pm

*lets out the mariachi band*

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PostSubject: Re: Case AE08199001 Aegislash Banned to Ubers by smogon.   Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:54 pm

Huzzah! I don't have to change my PWBA team!

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PostSubject: Re: Case AE08199001 Aegislash Banned to Ubers by smogon.   Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:56 pm

You'd prob get to keep for the season at the very least anyway.

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